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We are committed to being in their life as long as they need us and want us.
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Because, you know, one of the things that we say is that trauma that happened through relationship has to be healed through relationship.
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The demeanor the girls exhibit completely changes when they realize that this person is a volunteer.
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They're like oh, she wants to be with me, she's not paid to be with me.
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Many of these girls would not raise their hand and say I've been a trafficking victim.
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They don't know that.
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They think that's just life, it just happens to them.
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Maybe they think it was their fault.
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Maybe they think it's just how things go in their family or in their reality.
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All of our girls who have run away, 100% of them connected with their mentor while they were on the run.
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100% of them.
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Welcome to Homeward Indie, a bi-weekly conversation where we meet the people working to end homelessness in Indianapolis and hear their stories.
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I'm Elliott.
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Zanz and I'm.
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Steve Barnhart, Jessica and Amanda.
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Thank you for being a part of Homeward Indie.
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Thank you.
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Yeah, thanks for the invitation.
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Oh, you're welcome.
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Thank you for taking us up on the invitation, and I understand you two are not strangers to podcasts, right that's?
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right, we have our own podcast called the Everyday Advocate.
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It's been a fun project for the last year, year and a half.
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I suppose people find that by just typing in Everyday Advocate.
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That's right.
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Where does that name come from?
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Well, you know, part of what we do is we advocate for the people we serve.
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But sometimes there's a misunderstanding that you have to be a certain type of person to be a really good advocate.
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But we just really feel like anyone can be part of this work and there's not really a barrier or, you know, a certain set of credentials, and we want everyone to realize you can be a mentor and a leader and an advocate in your everyday life.
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It doesn't have to be on a platform, it doesn't have to be in a big way, and so that's kind of what we want to drive home with that podcast.
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Excellent.
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People here today will get a feel for what you guys are all about, and hopefully they can check that out as well.
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So we're here in the offices of Allies.
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Do you typically refer to yourself as Allies or Allies Inc?
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Yeah, either one, either one.
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Mostly Allies.
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Mostly yourself as allies or allies inc.
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Yeah, either one, either one.
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Mostly allies, mostly allies.
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Okay, so we're in the offices of allies.
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Why don't you tell us a little bit about what allies is all about?
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go ahead.
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Amanda, I saw, I saw your face light up.
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Oh, I was just gonna say jessica you are the founder and executive director.
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So why don't you start with the origin story and then I can pop in after?
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that, yeah.
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So we became a nonprofit in 2011 and our mission has kind of ebbed and flowed and grown as we have grown as well.
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Right now we have a mentorship program for survivors of trafficking teenage survivors and we also have a program for their families and caregivers.
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But we started out as a nonprofit doing just general human trafficking education, helping our community understand about the issue.
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I'm a former teacher, so that was something that came naturally to me, and so we started out with education.
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And then we dipped our toes into prevention education with the young ladies that we served so ages 12 to 18, girls who are at risk for trafficking.
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We had a prevention education program for them.
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Then we realized that they really needed positive role models in their life, and that kind of prompted us to start the mentorship program.
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So today that that's our biggest program is our mentorship program, and then we started serving their families as well, so that you know, eventually the girls that we're working with, many of them are in the system.
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Sometimes they're removed away from home, but ultimately we want them to have whole and healthy families and move forward together.
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And so that's kind of how we are, that's kind of our piece of the pie, the role that we play in the huge issue that is human trafficking.
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So 12-year journey so far.
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Well, a little bit later maybe we can even get into what got you started from being a teacher to where you are.
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But, Amanda, you want to add on?
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Sure, sure.
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So our program it is a mentorship program, as Jessica said, and it's one-on-one mentorship.
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We match these young ladies for 12, I'm sorry, 18 months.
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It used to be 12 months and we realized that the 18-month mark is probably more beneficial for the youth that we serve.
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Studies have shown that if you are in a mentorship program and you are not with your mentor for at least 12 months, then it's going to cause more harm than good.
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So, with that said, we've seen a little trend with some of our mentors where maybe the 10, 11 month mark they kind of start backing off a little bit and not being as available as they once were.
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So we decided, with the 18 month program they provide more of a commitment up front so that if they start to back off a little bit then it's after that 12-month mark and we're able to continue to serve them and serve them well.
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We actually had one match recently who they completed their 12 months because it was still during the 12-month period and the mentor decided she wanted to do another 18 months with this young lady to get her beyond her 18th birthday.
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But we have young ladies in our program.
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We have one who's been with us for almost eight years and others who have been with us for five, six years.
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So it's not like you cut them off at some point.
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Oh, that's the end of your 12 months, or 18 months?
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No?
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Yeah, cause we realize you know trauma, um, someone who's been through the significant trauma that our girls have it's, I mean, after one year.
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It's not going to, they're not going to be fixed.
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They're not going to be, and it really is a lifelong journey, and so we are committed to being in their life as long as they need us and want us.
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Um, because, uh, you know, one of the things that we say is that trauma that happened through relationship has to be healed through relationship.
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And those relationships need to be long term and, you know, consistent for them to really make a difference in the lives of these young ladies.
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And so that's what we're kind of committed to do, and we're also committed to building a community around them.
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So we not only have this one-on-one mentoring, but then we gather them with other mentors and mentees.
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And so we not only have this one-on-one mentoring, but then we gather them with other mentors and mentees.
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We have, you know, a whole host of volunteers and staff that are seeing them.
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So there's like a little, this sweet little community that's built among all of the mentors and mentees so that they have another, they have access to other resources and social capital and a place where they feel like they belong, outside of even that one-on-one mentoring.
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So our hope is that, you know, we can be a safe community to help them, you know, flourish and thrive as they move forward.
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I'm curious about the comment that you made, Amanda, about 12 months or less can actually hurt.
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Is that because it doesn't feel like a commitment to the person being served?
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What's behind that?
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So the premise is that people are in and out of this person's life so often and many times the first year that they're with us, they'll have had two or three different therapists, they'll have had several caseworkers, they'll have been in foster care, they'll have been in a residential facility and there's not a constant person in their life.
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But having this mentor in their life, this one person who can commit to them, helps them feel their true worth.
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And then if there's not somebody there that's able to do that, then they're not feeling worthy.
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I think I've heard this before actually about young people's lives that some, unfortunately some of these young people get so used to and I'm not specifically talking about your population, but in general, kids that are coming up through foster care or whatever the case may be.
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Kids that are coming up through foster care or whatever the case may be, everyone's in and out of their life so much that that's basically all they ever expect and they continue to live a wounded life because of that.
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Yes, yes, and in the cases of our girls, their mentor becomes their person the young lady who has been with us for almost eight years.
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Her mentor has been in her life that whole time.
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Some of our girls, they'll go to our alumni program.
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The alumni program is after the 12-month mark and now the 18-month mark but they remain in our program and their mentor may have moved on, but they're still connected to allies.
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Yes.
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And so we are still pouring into them, but in many cases, it's their mentor who is their person At their kid's birth or at major milestones, a person they call when they need help.
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Will you share about how the mentees say that we're not paid, that we're volunteering?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Will you share that?
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There's such a switch when we do our match meetings, and that's where we introduce the coach and the mentor to the mentee and say okay, sign your friendship pact, you're going to be together for the next 18 months.
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You're going to do, you're going to meet twice a month in person and two other times you're going to connect, whether it's phone, call, letter, card, what have you?
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Um, but many times in this meeting we make sure now to say your mentor is a volunteer, because these other people in their life their therapists, their caseworkers, everybody is paid to be a part of their life.
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And and they've just been in and out and the demeanor the girls exhibit completely changes when they realize that this person is a volunteer.
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They're like, oh, she wants to be with me, she's not paid to be with me and it just sets their relationship up in a much better position than if they thought they were paid.
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You mentioned coach.
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Who's the coach or how does that work?
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So we match our mentors and mentees.
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We pair them with a coach and this mentor coach will kind of oversee the match.
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They'll be there for any conflict resolution which there's not really a ton of that, but sometimes there's conflict resolution or just to be there as a sounding board for the mentor or for the mentee and to make sure that their relationship is going in the direction that it needs to be going, to make sure that they're honoring their commitment of visiting the twice a month.
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And also there's some data collection with what we have to do.
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So the coach also will make sure that they are submitting their month or their weekly check-in so that we can get collect the data that we need for um grants and things like that yeah, so a coach I assume then is a staff position.
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Yeah.
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And a lot of times they will serve as a liaison between the system and the mentor mentee pair, because there are a lot of team meetings and different things that we don't want the mentor to have to be part of necessarily.
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But, the coach will do that as a representative of the match sometimes too, which is helpful.
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So that way the mentee doesn't view the mentor as just another person in the system.
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Yes.
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Which is it's helpful?
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And I can see that too for the mentors themselves to have support.
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Yes, they're not off on their own doing this work.
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They have this staff coach person who's right there with them.
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The other thing with the coach is there's a lot of processing that comes along with this.
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There's some secondary trauma that gets absorbed for the mentor.
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But we ask the mentors not to share anything that the mentee shares with them, with their spouse, with their best friend, with their Bible study group, with whomever.
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What happens in the relationship stays within the relationship.
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However, that coach can be the sounding board in that relationship.
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They are not a counselor or a therapist or anything like that, but it is somebody for them to process with.
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But what we also offer is every other month we have an internal processing group and they are able to meet.
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All the mentors are able to meet kind of like group therapy with a licensed clinical social worker so more support for the mentors?
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yes, and here in a little bit, we want to talk about those.
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Mentors, as you said, are volunteers.
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Are you looking for additional mentors or not?
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Absolutely, always, absolutely Okay.
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Hopefully that's a purpose that this podcast can play in, just getting that word out there.
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So here in a little bit maybe we'll talk a little more about what makes a mentor makes a mentor.
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But before we do that, getting back to those that you serve, these girls, young women, how do they find you?
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How do you find them?
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They are referred to us through their caseworker, through their therapist, through their residential facility.
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They all come after they are no longer in trafficking and we ask that they be in some sort of therapy when they are referred to us so that and then the therapists and the social workers, they have the ability to test have they been exploited?
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Have they been trafficked?
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What?
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At what level have they been exploited?
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Have they been trafficked?
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At what level have they been abused?
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And so it helps us determine whether or not they qualify for our program.
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And then we go and we do an intake interview with young ladies that is not super intrusive because they've had this conversation with their therapist already and can determine pretty much determine whether or not our program is going to be a good fit for them what young ladies are a good match for what you can provide.
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How would you describe them?
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And maybe part of that question is who is not?
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a good match for what you do okay, um, we serve youth between the ages of 12 and 24 who are survivors of human trafficking and exploitation, and females, obviously.
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And because it is a female program, it doesn't mean that we don't eventually want to serve young men, but we just don't have the resources to do that right now.
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And we serve Marion and surrounding counties.
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Typically Our girls are very transient and so often we'll have an intake and then she'll get moved to a different placement, and so there are some exceptions, but for the most part we try to stick to Marion and surrounding counties at the current time.
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So age and location play a big part.
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So what about what they've experienced in their life or what their family situation is?
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Are there any qualifications there that make a better fit than another?
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As long as they have had some pretty significant history of abuse or trafficking, they're going to qualify.
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But as far as placement and family, we've got girls in foster care, some in residential, some who are at home.
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So as long as they're in the geographic area, fit the qualifications as far as history and age, then yeah, they're a good fit.
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I want to get back to the specifics of what allies does, but just for a moment let's take a step back us about human trafficking today, and most specifically those you serve.
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I would say there's a lot of education to be done still in the community, because that term human trafficking elicits many different images or forms for different people, depending on what they know and what they don't know, um, because Hollywood plays a part in, you know, depicting a picture, and then there's you know, reality, and so, on a global scale, it looks a lot different than what it looks like here in central Indiana.
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Um, we don't, we, we don't, our agency doesn't serve victims of labor trafficking, although that does exist here in Indiana too.
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Um, on a global scale, labor trafficking is much more prevalent, um, but we just serve, um survivors of sex trafficking.
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Um, and so we do a lot of education in the community.
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Uh, on what it looks like, because, um, for the most part, we serve girls who are under age, and so if you think about a young lady who trades sex for a place to stay, for food, for money, anything like that, if she is underage, then she's a victim of trafficking.
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So think about a girl that has run from home and is looking for a place to stay.
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She trades sex with someone to sleep on their couch.
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She's been trafficked.
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She meets somebody.
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He takes her in a hotel room forces her to have sex with someone, he makes some money.
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That's trafficking.
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So it's not this picture.
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Not that it couldn't happen this way and doesn't, but for the most part the girls that we run into have not been kidnapped from a mall or on the street, put in a white van, handcuffed and taken somewhere right.
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They're living at home.
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They're living on the street.
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Put in a white van, handcuffed and taken somewhere.
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Right.
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They're living at home.
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They're living on the street.
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They're living with people that they know and someone has taken advantage of them, has earned their trust.
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So I mentioned earlier trauma that happens through relationship has to be healed through relationship.
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So most of the time someone has taken time to build a relationship with them so that the young lady thinks that they can trust this person, and then they take advantage of that trust to manipulate them and they get into a place where they feel like they have no choice.
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Um.
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I also recently talked with um some folks who are doing some statewide trafficking work who said that familial trafficking um the stats are going up on that.
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So somebody you know, parent or uncle or family member, trafficking you know these children, and so it really looks different than sometimes we think that it does.
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It's not someone from another country coming in, although that happens.
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The girls that we're working with, by and large, are from here and someone has taken advantage of them and they have traded sex.
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And large are from here and someone has taken advantage of them and they have traded sex.
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And not only that, but there's all these other layers of trauma on top of that right.
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So often there are many other things that play into it as well, but for the most part, yeah, that's what we're seeing here.
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Okay, you mentioned that it's not always what the general public thinks or sees, maybe through the news or social media.
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In what ways is it different?
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I think many times it's much smaller scale and closer to home.
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It's not a stranger necessarily.
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It's someone that has either knows them in their circle their familial, neighborhood, school, social circle, or someone that they've met online, that they feel like they've gotten to know, and that person has taken advantage of them.
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It's not a stranger, it's not someone you know from the outside.
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Like you said, they're not kidnapped, right?
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Yeah, not that that doesn't happen.
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I don't want to say that it doesn't, but the stories that we hear, the girls, that we're serving.
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It's usually someone that they know and they're local people Local people from our own neighborhoods.
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And their traffickers are master manipulators.
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They prey on their vulnerabilities and then these young ladies are trying to get their needs met, and this person is meeting their needs, based off of the vulnerabilities that they have.
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What's the typical story of those who, for lack of a better word, escape that bad situation.
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I mean, how does that happen?
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How is it happening?
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And then they're ending up with you.
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I don't know that there's a typical answer to that.
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Often, when we engage with these young ladies, they're in a residential facility because, either for their own safety, or maybe that there's been a drug addiction that they're trying to recover from.
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There's something that something, maybe even other than the trafficking correct that has got them into some type of care, that then it becomes known right, because many of these girls would not raise their hand and say I've been a trafficking victim.
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They don't know that they think that's just life, it just happens to them, it was.
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Maybe they think it was their fault, maybe they think it's just you know how things go in their family or in their reality.
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And so they don't know necessarily that they've been trafficked.
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Maybe they know they've been hurt, maybe they know that people have taken advantage of them, but they don't know that they've been trafficked.
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So they're not going to approach that situation and say that, but through therapy and counseling and efforts of professionals that sometimes will then be drawn out and identified.
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Yeah.
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And I do want to say they may not realize they have been trafficked.
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Many of them don't even know what trafficking means.
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And so that's something for people to consider.
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Also, I think of when I go to rest stops and things and it's like are you being trafficked?
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And it makes me so angry because I'm like they don't even know what that means.
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So, um, I I do know that some of that language is changing throughout the country, but, um, many of them don't know that they have been trafficked is this a terrible situation in our culture that is growing, or it's all always been here, we're just becoming more aware of it?
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What?
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How would you assess that?
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I think both.
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I think for sure we're doing a better job of identifying trafficking victims as trafficking victims and getting them appropriate help, but I do think it's on the rise, especially the online pieces, Because I think even during COVID the stats went way up of trafficking victims online, because it's just everyone is online and they're accessible and you know.
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Another piece is we're looking for connection.
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All of us humans are.
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Yes.
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But if you think of a young person who you know, if they have a certain number of vulnerabilities, who knows what their home life is like, they're looking for connection, attention, love.
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Life is like they're looking for connection, attention, love, and if they're getting it from someone online or if they're getting it from this neighbor, that fills a void.
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You know she was talking about vulnerabilities and different things.
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That, um, that is, I think, one of the number one things is that our young people are looking for and if the trafficker can provide that, they're building that relationship and building that trust.
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And that makes it feel really gray for them because they're filling that need, even though they're being abused in a different way.
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And so sometimes that's a big issue with trafficking is that survivors, if they do get, you know, recovered from their situation, they go back so often because that need was being met for them, that basic need of that connection, even though there were some really terrible pieces to that it was familiar, and that need was being met.
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And so it makes it really tricky for recovery because when you take this young person out of the situation and put them in a very sterile environment without anyone that they know or trust, um, it becomes really hard for them to want to stay and push through.
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Um, you know, for their betterment, Um, so it's a real.
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I mean I don't know the stats of how many of our girls have run, but probably nearly all of them at some point.
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As they're in treatment they've run.
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Yeah, see, that's something you know.
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We often as a society, we focus on knowing that those who are incarcerated so often return there.
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But just on the surface me not being aware of what's going on as well as you guys are you would think that anybody who has got away from that would never go back to it.